DELTA NEWS - AIRLINE SAVED | Aviation News Weekly

Hello and Welcome It’s been a quiet start to the week with no real distinctive developments coming to light in the Aviation Industry so with that being all said I thought now it would be the perfect time for another instalment into. We begin proceedings with Qatar Airways and the carrier receiving a lifeline from their government in the form of a bailout. The Qatari government gave the airline a US2 billion to help it face the crisis head-on. Coming just a month after the Dubai government gave Emirates their own bailout which was also worth US 2 billion. An amount that the two governments deemed useful for the survival of the airlines moving forward. For Qatar Airways their financial situation has not been the most incredible of late and they join Etihad in the same region who as we know have also been struggling and going through a major restructuring plan. 

Qatar Airways if you also recall was one of the only carriers during the global pandemic that continued to operate and continued to fly people home during the trying times. Their efforts were highly appreciated by many as other airlines pulled the plug on certain services. Meanwhile over at Jetblue work has steadily progressed with their London routes that are tentatively going to be starting up next year and the aircraft that’ll be helping power these routes. Their first A321LR was revealed to the public towards the end of September with a streamers tail design that the airline best describes. The tail features as you can see a ribbon in a number of different blues, my personal favourite colour. JetBlue has said that these colours help represent the ocean and in addition jet stream which are fundamental players for these transatlantic services. At the moment the airline is eyeing up the launch of JFK and Boston Logan directly through to London by late 2021 at the best, it was originally aimed at being earlier but things have obviously changed with the global pandemic coming into play so while they aim for late 2021 there’s always the chance this could end up in 2022 instead. While this is the first A321LR for the airline they also have the A321XLR on order, a variant that was revealed last year at the Paris Airshow and garnered a lot of attention and excitement within the Aviation Industry. Will you be hoping to get onboard one of the Jetblue Airbus A321LRs on a transatlantic service when they start flying? Let me know down below! Delta has had quite the expansive fleet for some time now with countless aircraft types and hundreds within their fleet. 

However, one thing is for sure and that be the need for the airline to streamline. Since the outbreak of the global pandemicDelta have been actively looking at getting specific types that are ageing and no longer fuel efficient out of their operations in favour of welcoming more efficient jets in the future and also allow the fuel-efficient jets to thrive. Delta has therefore at the end of September as well decided that it would be retiring its Boeing 717-200 aircraft and also the remainder of its 767-300ers by December of 2025. So In 5 years, these aircraft will be gone. On top of these Delta has already said that it would be retiring the MD-88s and MD-90s so really it has felt like the retirement just hasn’t stopped. These changes though to the Delta fleets are necessarily moving forward to save money wherever possible and to ensure that they are efficient as well with their operations and can preserve cash wherever it is possible. The last thing they want to be doing is wasting away precious cash on now sadly aircraft that are no longer fuel efficient if they can help it. The global pandemic has given them that excuse if you will. KLM is another airline now which is currently going through a major restructuring and they have submitted their plan in recent weeks to the northlands ministry of finance. KLM would like in the region of around 3.4euros in loans and so on to help fulfil their operations, pay their staff and ultimately survive within the Aviation Industry. The KLM Chief Executive said The plan we submitted to the ministry of finance today is a condition for obtaining a financial package, making this an important milestone in our recovery. Adding The aim is to ensure that KLM survives this crisis and emerges stronger than before. At this moment even with help from the government, KLM will see 4500 positions disappear in a restructure that’ll see the group reassess fundamental areas of the business like that of finances and strategy. 

They’ll also aim to implement cost-cutting initiatives that will help them move forward as an airline and also more widely as a group. When focusing on their aircraft KLM will also actively work to implement a more efficient fleet moving forward, this has already been boosted by the immediate retirement of the queen of the skies. They’ll also plan on phasing out leased aircraft moving forward. Boeing has announced an adjusted outlook for the overall demand within the aviation industry due to the global pandemic. Boeing projected themselves that over the next decade 18,350 aeroplanes will be delivered and 13,570 of those will be narrowbodies. However, in the second half of the forecast which stretches for the next 20 years, there will be some 43,110 deliveries and that includes32,270 narrowbody. It’s quite clear to see the major jump here. Boeing has said that the industry will still remain the same in a sense of the very long term and trends will return, however, it'll take time and it’ll be important to be patient but for carriers to stick true to their business models. History has shown that previous global crisis obviously not to this extent resulted in a sudden surge shortly after which the BoeingManaging director expects. Focusing now on the Australian aviation scene and Rex, a regional airline within the country that is known for operating the Saab 340Bs. 

Soon though they will be adding 6 Boeing 737aircraft with the first being delivered on the 1st of November, so in a little under a month. Rex wants to use these initial 6 to understand if there is a demand for the type within the airline and if was to all go according to plan they’d look to increase their domestic fleet with more Boeing 737s with the goal to eventually reach a total of 10 Boeing 737s. The thing is Rex has not been an airline that been said not present within the Australian Aviation sector, in fact, they’ve been around for quite a long period time but forever the main players have been the likes of Qantas, Jetstar, Virgin Australia and now the defunct Tigerair, with Tigerair gone and Virgin Australiasignificantly reducing their operations, internationally and domestically Rex see this is a prime opportunity despite the global pandemic ongoing to test the waters. In my opinion, it’s an exciting move from the regional carrier and will most definitely heat up the Australian sector which has long suffered from excruciatingly high prices but also very little options when it comes to travelling. 

737 MAX RETURN? - AIRLINE SURVIVAL | Aviation News

Hello, and WelcomeAnother start to the working week and anotheraviation newsweekly to get us underway, I hope you’re all doing well and have enjoyedyour weekend. In today’s blog, I’ll be taking a look at the battle for Norwegianand the domestic sector over there, KLM looking at the early retirement of aircraft and moreso stay tuned, I know you all enjoy these. Wizz Air has announced that it is planningon completely shaking up the Norwegian domestic market with the launch of three new services 

\The low-cost unit has been rapidly expanding during this pandemic, essentially constantlylaunching new services for customers and is now setting up its first base in Scandinaviawhich brings the start of these services in Norway, all of them originating in Oslo. The3 services from Oslo will be with the A321 and will rival Norwegian and SAS, one of whichis very much on its last legs. The flights with Wizz begin next month, however, manyhave called this potentially the end for Norwegian who have faced problems after problems thathave continued and been magnified with this current global pandemic. The Boeing 737 MAXs return date has been highly speculated for some time now with months beingflown all over the shop. 

We’ve had FAA executives say one thing and then airline executivessay the other, however, it all contributes to the aircraft’s return itself and withanother aviation news weekly it’d be wrong not include an update to its return to servicewithin the United States according to a Ryanair exeuctive. The FAA and Boeing have been workingon certifying the jet now for many months and that looks to be coming to a close. Thanks to an interview with Irelands Newstalk radio station the chief executive said The FAA (FederalAviation Administration) finished their test flights last week and it looks like it's goingto go back into service in the US in the next month or so and we'll take our first deliveriesas part of that order. The airline has 200 of the type on order and is also looking ata new sizeable order in the hundreds of the 737 MAX in the future. They expect the first MAX to arrive into their fleet early next year, being 2021 for anyone watching downthe line potentially. Whether this is actually going to happen is a whole other thing andI’d highly recommend taking dates nowadays with a grain of salt given what we’ve seenin the past, however, it’s still I believe worth mentioning to see what various othercustomers expect around the world. Over at KLM who as we know recently retiredtheir Boeing 747s talk has surrounded the early retirement of their Airbus A330s alongsidethe 747s due to once again the global pandemic. 

The airline was originally set to retire theAirbus A330 in 2025, so in some 5 years although those plans could now be changing as the airlineis reported to be in talks with its lessors over the aircraft. The thing is, the airlinedoesn’t have exactly an abundant of Airbus A330s, it has eight of the A330-200s and thenjust five of the A330-300s but it does still make a part of its operations that now KLMneeds to analyze whether or not are required to still be around with the gigantic dropoff in global pandemic and whether the other long haul or wide-body aircraft, if you will,can do the same job as their Airbus A330s moving forward, especially as demand slowlybut surely returns back to normal for the Dutch carrier. In an interview which was seenby a dutch news website the KLM CEO spoke on the early retirement of the A330 in whathas described an internal video, he said the following You have to imagine that those leasecompanies have about a hundred airlines who knock on the door and say, ‘Well, I havesome aircraft to return to you.’ That just doesn’t happen. So we are talking aboutit, we are looking into it, but going forward we will be using the Airbuses a bit longer. Highlighting the lengthy process to actually return these Airbus A330s. KLM is eyeing upin the future an all Boeing wide-body fleet and removing the A330s now, during a pandemiccould give them the most imperfect, yet also perfect solution to attain that goal thatthey want, but for now even earlier than they first imagined. In some more news surrounding Airbus, theyreported their order and delivery results for the month of September, a month that consistedof no new orders for aircraft but three cancellations. In more positive news the aircraft manufacturerdid deliver a seizable number of aircraft, that totaled 57 which is massively up fromprevious months. For example in April Airbus delivered 14 jets while in August they delivered39. Still, though the 57 from last month is down 14 from the 71 from September of 2019. 

Total yearly deliveries currently stand at 341 aircraft with 282 of those being for theA320 family of aircraft, a very popular option and one that’s quite easy produce. Despitethese 341 deliveries and an improved September, they are still down around 40% over theirnumbers for 2019 were at the same stage they had delivered 571 total aircraft to customersaround the world. A sign of how the industry has been hit during this global pandemic whichshows no signs of slowing down, especially in a sense of aviation. Airbus continued to deliver a lone AirbusA320 to Middle East Airlines or MEA and this A320 had the serial number of 10,000 morecommonly known as MSN10000. The Chairman and Director General of MEA commented on takingdelivery of the 1000th We are honoured to receive the state of the art A321neo withits distinctive serial number 10,000 coinciding with the 75th anniversary of Middle EastAirlines and especially after receiving MSN5,000 back in 2012. 

Since we first acquired an A320Family aircraft in 2003, we have not only benefited from the outstanding operationalefficiency of the aircraft but were also the first airline to introduce the wide-body cabinproduct on a single-aisle aircraft which has become a trend in the airline industry afterward. To shown the rapid progression in building aircraft within the Aviation Industry MEAactually welcomed in MSN5000 back in 2012 and this was some 23 years after productionfirst began on the Airbus A320 family, the 5000 we saw just pass now only took 8 yearsand can show you perfectly how rapid the advancements in technology have been and in addition therapid demand changes that while have disappeared now came with the changing times and growthin the overall population and therefore need for narrowbodies just like  the A320 family. 

UNITED NEWS - JET AIRWAYS RETURN? | Aviation News

Hello, and welcome it’s only been afew days but I thought why not bring back the Aviation News if you willthat you’ve been enjoying throughout this week, today’s blog covers recent financialand quarterly results over at United Airlines, the reveal of a new A330neo and more! I begin today's proceedings though with the focus centering on the results recently posted over at United Airlines, with Delta being covered here on the blog I only saw it fitting that I gave Delta the spotlight as well to see how they’ve been tracking recently. United began their press release by notingthat their revenue performance, while down from the previous year due to the difficultenvironment will still see their revenue results better than their current competitors. They said that their total unit revenue is done 26%, with loyalty revenue being down 45%, cargo revenue is up, however, their passenger units revenue is down 47. United CEO Scott Kirby commented in the quarterlystatement saying Having successfully executed our initial crisis strategy, we're ready toturn the page on seven months that have been dedicated to developing and implementing extraordinaryand often painful measures, like furloughing 13,000 team members, to survive the worstfinancial crisis in aviation history. 

The airline further reported an adjusted net loss of US 2.4 billion. However, despite this its liquidity at thispoint is quite good with US 19.4 billion in liquidity at the end of the third quarter, this was helped through adjustments to their business overall and the leaseback of someof their aircraft that they deemed no longer required for their operations. Finally, Kirby added Even though the negativeimpact of COVID-19 will persist in the near term, we are now focused on positioning theairline for a strong recovery that will allow United to bring our furloughed employees backto work and emerge as the global leader in aviation. Uganda Airlines saw their absolutely stunningAirbus A330-800neo rolled out with their livery in the past week and as I discussed on myTwitter the livery is majestic but also reminds me a tad of Nandos, especially with the logocentred on the tail! The airline has noted that their first A330neowill be delivered to them in December of 2020 and will be deployed on services to the likesof Dubai, London, Mumbai, and Guangzhou, Now, that could very well be subject to changegiven the current global pandemic preventing international services from operating fortourism purposes. The airline only has an order for two of thea330-800neos and the order is quite a big one, especially as the -800neo has been the type which has been less favored by customers over time with questions arising of whether demand would truly ever pick up for the smaller A330neo. 

Their -800neos will be equipped with 3 classes including 20 passengers in business class, 28 in premium economy and 213 in economy class that's a total of 261 seats. Jet Airways were last talked about here on the channel in 2019 and they are seemingly coming back after well over a year of uncertainty and many people just assuming they were no more. The airline is an Indian one and went up against the likes of SpiceJet, Indigo, and Air India, however, competition from new low-cost airlines struggled to really get a grip on the market. A  consortium of investors won a bid last week to take over Jet Airways, by doing this they officially become the new owners of the airline. 

It’s a London based financial advisory and asset management firm. What’s been noted though widely is that the pair do not have exactly a background in aviation as the new owners include an Indian but UAE-based entrepreneur. They’ve said they’ll invest US 136 million in Jet Airways over the next 5 years in a bid to resurge the airline and help it move forward in the right direction. We don’t have much information on just how they'll move forward with aircraft but the board member did in an interview with CNBC-TV18say that they planned still on being a full-service airline but would initially restart their operations domestically. 

DELTA NEWS - AIRLINE MERGER | Aviation News

Hello and Welcome It’s been a really slow start to the week with no major breakout stories happening. However, when many little developments occur it always makes for an honest today aviation newsweekly with some dire financial results over at Delta who announced their Q3 results which are pretty bleak, this is something you’d be already ready to imagine however now we've firm confirmed with the numbers it truly highlights that. Delta has announced a pre-tax loss of some 6.9 billion on revenue that totals at US 3.1 billion. 

However, with an adjusted pre-tax loss of 2.6 billion. Ultimately the adjusted revenue which is at 2.6 billion may be a decline of 79% over the prior year. Delta is slowly improving over their Q2 results, however, things remain as mentioned earlier bleak. It’s not an exactly pleasant position that they find themselves in to mention the smallest amount. The carrier is lucky though that it's something a number of airlines aren’t ready to have and that is a solid amount of liquidity that stands currently at the top of the September quarter so Q3 at US 21.6 billion. However, cash burn every day averaged at US24 million for Q3 together but only for every day in September it had been at US 18 million. Delta also provided a spreadsheet that highlights when specific types are going to be leaving the fleet and at the time of recording and time of the press release what percentage of every is remaining. The carrier will have phased out some 383aircraft come the top of 2025 with aircraft types just like the 777, 767, MD-90, A320, CRJ-200, and more all on the cutting board so as to stay the airline as efficient as possible moving forward with the adjusted demand.

Delta CEO said While our September quarter results demonstrate the magnitude of the pandemic on our business, we've been encouraged as more customers travel and that we are seeing a path of progressive improvement in our revenues, financial results, and daily cash burn. The actions we are taking now to require care of our people, simplify our fleet, improve the customer experience, and strengthen our brand will allow Delta to accelerate into a post-COVID recovery. Lufthansa has announced some changes to its winter timetable which runs through to the top of March in 2021 and this may see 4 AirbusA350-900s that are parked be brought back to life to serve destinations within the UnitedStates from its hub in Frankfurt. 

These flights which will see the a350 are replacing the Boeing 747-8 which would’ve been flying these routes for the amount of your time as mentioned through to March of 2021. Finally, on top of this, the A350 will also be placed on the Frankfurt to Tokyo service in situ of the A340. Decisions that while highlighting the return of some services for nationals and permitting restrictions on international travel the absentees are the likes of the A340 which has been retired and therefore the 747-8, which while is staying on is deemed just like the A340 and A380 as not the foremost efficient option for these services moving forward, especially during a tike where the worldwide pandemic is extremely present. The A350 fleet consists of 16 Munich-based aircraft, however, as they note in their handout thanks to the huge reduction in travel demand they're going to initially fly in need of half that, at just 7 A350s out of Munich to North America and Asia. Moving across to now the Canadian aviation sector, there’s been an update surrounding the acquisition of Air Transit by Air Canada. 

This was announced back in June of 2019 and at the time Air Canda was getting to be paying some 13 dollars per share with a complete purchase price of around 520 million dollars. However, that was only their initial offer and this was eventually upped to some 720 million with them paying 18 dollars per share. With the worldwide pandemic now impacting things greatly Air Canada is saving quite a lot of cash. They’ll be wiping some 8 dollars off each share from their initial for Air Transit and now pay $5 per share with a complete value of the purchase of Air Transit being at 190 million. The negotiations are natural as Air Canada had not actually finalized the deal so there was always getting to be room for things to adjust, however, without the worldwide pandemic I feel personally it’d be pretty safe to assume that the savings naturally wouldn't amount to what they need to be done. 

The Air Canada CEO commented on the deal saying the following during a handout COVID-19 has had a devastating effect on the global airline industry, with a cloth impact on the worth of airlines and aviation assets. this mix will provide stability for transit's operations and its stakeholders and can position Air Canada, and indeed the Canadian aviation industry, to emerge more strongly as we enter the post-COVID-19 world. It’s a move that seems to profit Air Canada and obviously the staff at Air Transat as many would ponder just how the airline would survive by itself. As for the way Air Canada uses this new acquisition is still remains to be seen officially but if you've got any thoughts don't hesitate to drop them below. Moving back to Australia, the country has announced that it's planning on remaining closed essentially at the foremost for an additional year, that meaning they’ll keep all international borders closed through to the top of 2021while allowing citizens returning range in gradually but again which will depend greatly on the caps being set and therefore the actual ability for passengers to urge back home. The country closed its borders back in March of 2020. Travel bubbles are likely though going to occur between the likes of Australia and New Zealand aside from that say tourists coming from America or Europe are going to be refused entry. many thanks considerably once more for the continued support you’ve

777X DELAYS - A220 NEWS | Aviation News

Hello and welcome back to another one of the regular aviation news recap blogs. Lots of little things have happened in recent days and as the week comes to a close I thought why not bring it all together in this recap. Today’s blog features news surrounding the Boeing 777X and delays it's now facing when it comes to delivery, a specific route restarting, and a whole lot more! Beginning with a rather intriguing story that's with Qatar Airways who recently took delivery of three brand new A350-1000 aircraft, however, these deliveries were a tiny bit different from what you might imagine. Before I explain that area, following the delivery of these 3 more A350s   the airline has officially welcomed on a total of 50+ Airbus A350s, this is between both the -900   and the -1000. The exact total stands at 52. These delivery flights though essentially flew up to the  United Kingdom, totally avoiding the usual flight path you’d see them go on if they were headed to   Doha, which would be straightforward. There’s a really interesting article by Aviation24 you can find in the sources area but these jets flew this way thanks to a leasing contract that essentially needed these jets to fly over the United Kingdom at some point, it’s absolutely mental to think this would be in a contract but it’s completely true! Moving across to Hong Kong with Cathay Pacific who recently announced a major restructuring plan which included the closure of Cathay Dragon. 

However, the airline also has a number of aircraft coming into its operations in the future it including the Boeing 777x, Boeing’s latest wide-body aircraft currently in the process of being certified. Following the global pandemic loads of questions surrounded whether or not the 777X would still be required with some airlines.   Cathay Pacific was originally meant to welcome on their Boeing 777-9s from 2021   through to 2024, Boeing though recently announced that they wouldn’t be delivering the type to customers till at least 2022. With those changes already being announced we’ve now been given the news Cathay plans on delaying beyond 2025 quoting that we won't see them in the next 5 years with the airline. This isn’t exactly what I’d say is a shock, Cathay is in a position where it’s safe to say they’re fighting for their survival within the industry, and welcoming on an aircraft like the 777X, even in 2022 wouldn’t be the best course of action for them in the future. Remember the world’s longest flight, yep that mammoth Singapore to New York flight that we saw launched not that long ago using the A350ULR! Well, there’s been a slight change to the end destination of this service. 

It’s nothing major but given the current aviation industry,   I thought it might be cool to mention it at the very least. The new service has been shifted from  Newark to JFK, Singapore Airlines describes the reasoning behind their decision as this Operating to JFK International Airport would allow Singapore Airlines to better accommodate a mix of passenger and cargo traffic on its services to New York in the current operating climate. SIA’s non-stop services to New York would also be supported by the growing number of transfer passengers who can now transit via Singapore’s Changi Airport. The service will resume on the 9th of   November this year will fly on Mondays Wednesdays and Saturdays. The adjustments will see the A350   sitting on the ground in JFK for almost two days. You might have heard me there mention the A350 and not the A350ULR, that's because the second change is that Singapore will utilize a standard A350-900   with 253 seats made up of 42 business class seats, 24 in premium economy, and finally in the economy.   On the A350ULR which is specifically designed for these long services, there is no economy,   in fact, the standard economy is essentially known as premium economy on the A350ULR   which priced out a number of people from taking the service in the first place and explained at times the drop off in passenger demand for the Singapore to Newark service pre-pandemic. Moving across to Airbus and the A220. 

As briefly covered when I discussed Delta news, Airbus delivered their very first U.S assembled A220 from their Alabama plant to Delta. For Airbus,   this highlights the importance of them achieving their goal of becoming a global aircraft producer within the United States, a location where they personally believed the A220 would thrive.   The Chairman and CEO of Airbus America commented on the delivery and milestone going on say The delivery of the first U.S.-built A220-300 is a historic moment that highlights Airbus’ growing industrial footprint in North America and makes us all extremely proud. We look forward to seeing passengers delighted by the experience of traveling onboard this brand new A220-300 proudly built in Mobile, Alabama. A220 production started in Alabama back in August of 2019 with the inaugural flight coming in June of 2020.   Airbus will continue building A220s in this plant and hope that once the global pandemic clears the demand continues to grow for the aircraft series and more U.S based customers or at the very least those in close proximity will be willing to plunge and order the type. Handing over the first U.S-assembled aircraft to a U.S.-based customer is a real point of pride for the   A220 program,” said Philippe Balducci, leading the A220 program. “This delivery is the first of many to come and shows the strong collaborative spirit between the A220 Programme teams globally If you have any thoughts on the topic that I covered in this blog do not hesitate to comment on them down below in the comments and as always thank you very much for the continued support. It is greatly appreciated. I look forward to seeing you all in the next blog and like always please continue to do your best to stay safe during these trying times and while the blog aren’t always on positive topics I hope at the very least they can give you something to look forward too on a regular basis as I do certainly enjoy making them for you! 

Disappointing Etihad A380 News

Hello and welcome bb851 turn right heading turn right two four five report localizer established there’s been one thing that has continuously appeared over the past 7 months it’s been the uncertainty around certain aircraft in the aviation industry. This can be especially noted when focusing on aircraft like the Airbus A380, Boeing 747, and any other quad engined jet which currently has had its future thrown up in the air with the global pandemic. For   Etihad Airways and their A380 talk has surrounded their future a few times in recent years with the brunt of it coming following them posting losses in the billions. Add a global pandemic and a   drop-off in air travel to the equation and it worsens. In the past week 48 hours though   Emirates released the first episode of their podcasts titled Altitudes by Etihad. In recent months other Airbus A380 operators have been making the big decisions to remove the aircraft entirely from their operations going forward with Air France announcing that it had removed all of them from their operations with immediate effect, Qantas removing the type for the coming years, Emirates slowly but surely working them back into operations and Lufthansa likely removing them all completely, now the future of the Etihad A380s looks uncertain.   

The airline currently has 10 of the Airbus A380s in its fleet, the first actually only arrived some 6 years ago with the last arriving 3 years ago. In the grand scheme of things,   these Airbus A380s are quite new so removing them especially at this point would be quite odd. The CEO commented on the Airbus A380 in the first episode of this podcast and his comments in my opinion were not all that encouraging, it wouldn’t shock me if we don’t see the Etihad A380 flying again. He said I think it’s heavily handicapped by two engines too many,   and other aircraft that can do the job far more efficiently, far more sustainably. So I’m not trying to rule out the A380, it would break my heart, even more, to do so at this stage.  

But in the same way that 747s have finally been retired pretty much everywhere, I think we’re probably going to see now an acceleration of the same with the global A380 fleet. These comments are something we’ve seen far too many times now from executives around the world who are simply at this stage favouring other twin-engine aircraft moving forward over as the emirates CEO Tony Douglas says a handicapped quad engined jet. The Etihad Airways A380 is equipped with flying apartments known as the residence so for those that wanted the opportunity to fly on it there’s a very real chance that opportunity will have been now lost. While it hasn’t been confirmed to us that the type will be departing I think it’s very safe to say that it isn’t likely these jets will remain unless something very drastic changes and even if they were to say stay it would not be at the same capacity as we previously knew.   Etihad’s business model has also played a major role in the position they’ve been left in   with the Airbus A380s as that has changed over time